Discussion:
OLSR between different networks
Breno Silva
2013-05-09 12:21:07 UTC
Permalink
Hello,

I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to each
other using a wireless radio interface.

The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data

COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).

So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.

Thanks

Breno
Henning Rogge
2013-05-09 12:32:12 UTC
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As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.

It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.

Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Breno Silva
2013-05-09 15:26:53 UTC
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Thanks Henning,

I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.

Breno
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each computer
is
Post by Breno Silva
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each
other.
Post by Breno Silva
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to know
if
Post by Breno Silva
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Breno Silva
2013-05-10 12:51:32 UTC
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Hello guys,

There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function to detect
when the destination addr is broadcast and change it to the unicast addrs:

If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif

Do you think this hack will work ?

Thanks

Breno
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each
computer is
Post by Breno Silva
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each
other.
Post by Breno Silva
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to know
if
Post by Breno Silva
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Breno Silva
2013-05-10 12:54:38 UTC
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i mean If(dst_addr == broadcast)

thanks
Post by Breno Silva
Hello guys,
There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function to detect
If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif
Do you think this hack will work ?
Thanks
Breno
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each
computer is
Post by Breno Silva
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to
each
Post by Breno Silva
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each
other.
Post by Breno Silva
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to
know if
Post by Breno Silva
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Henning Rogge
2013-05-10 12:57:07 UTC
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That would only work if you have exactly two nodes on an interface,
the local one and the "other one". In this case you could set the
broadcast address to the unicast address.

With more nodes it would not work, because the routing protocol learns
about the neighbors by listening to the multicast/broadcast packets.

Henning
Post by Breno Silva
i mean If(dst_addr == broadcast)
thanks
Post by Breno Silva
Hello guys,
There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function to detect
If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif
Do you think this hack will work ?
Thanks
Breno
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Breno Silva
2013-05-10 13:05:59 UTC
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Right so let's suppose we have this env

computer1 <-> computer2 <-> computer3

- Computer1 sends hello msgs to Computer2
- Computer2 sends hello msgs to Computer1 and Computer3
- Computer3 send hello msgs to Computer2

I suppose all nodes will know theirs neighbors. This is not true ?

Thanks
Post by Henning Rogge
That would only work if you have exactly two nodes on an interface,
the local one and the "other one". In this case you could set the
broadcast address to the unicast address.
With more nodes it would not work, because the routing protocol learns
about the neighbors by listening to the multicast/broadcast packets.
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
i mean If(dst_addr == broadcast)
thanks
Post by Breno Silva
Hello guys,
There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function to
detect
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
when the destination addr is broadcast and change it to the unicast
If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif
Do you think this hack will work ?
Thanks
Breno
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1)
<->
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Henning Rogge
2013-05-10 13:07:49 UTC
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How many wireless interfaces does computer 2 have? One or two?

Henning
Post by Breno Silva
Right so let's suppose we have this env
computer1 <-> computer2 <-> computer3
- Computer1 sends hello msgs to Computer2
- Computer2 sends hello msgs to Computer1 and Computer3
- Computer3 send hello msgs to Computer2
I suppose all nodes will know theirs neighbors. This is not true ?
Thanks
Post by Henning Rogge
That would only work if you have exactly two nodes on an interface,
the local one and the "other one". In this case you could set the
broadcast address to the unicast address.
With more nodes it would not work, because the routing protocol learns
about the neighbors by listening to the multicast/broadcast packets.
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
i mean If(dst_addr == broadcast)
thanks
Post by Breno Silva
Hello guys,
There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function to detect
If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif
Do you think this hack will work ?
Thanks
Breno
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Breno Silva
2013-05-10 13:10:09 UTC
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All computer has one ethernet interface with the Radio and the Radio will
comunicate each other with another Wireless interface.

So a node for me is a group of computer+radio
Post by Henning Rogge
How many wireless interfaces does computer 2 have? One or two?
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
Right so let's suppose we have this env
computer1 <-> computer2 <-> computer3
- Computer1 sends hello msgs to Computer2
- Computer2 sends hello msgs to Computer1 and Computer3
- Computer3 send hello msgs to Computer2
I suppose all nodes will know theirs neighbors. This is not true ?
Thanks
Post by Henning Rogge
That would only work if you have exactly two nodes on an interface,
the local one and the "other one". In this case you could set the
broadcast address to the unicast address.
With more nodes it would not work, because the routing protocol learns
about the neighbors by listening to the multicast/broadcast packets.
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
i mean If(dst_addr == broadcast)
thanks
Post by Breno Silva
Hello guys,
There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function to detect
If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif
Do you think this hack will work ?
Thanks
Breno
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Henning Rogge <
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh
nodes,
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each
computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data
to
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to
each
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1) <->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like
to
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Henning Rogge
2013-05-10 13:17:17 UTC
Permalink
Your problem will be that routing protocols NEED access to the
broadcast/linklocal-multicast address.

Most radios should support this (on layer 1), because broadcast is a
natural attribute of all wireless connections. Is there a special
reason why your radio does NOT support broadcast?

Henning
Post by Breno Silva
All computer has one ethernet interface with the Radio and the Radio will
comunicate each other with another Wireless interface.
So a node for me is a group of computer+radio
Post by Henning Rogge
How many wireless interfaces does computer 2 have? One or two?
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
Right so let's suppose we have this env
computer1 <-> computer2 <-> computer3
- Computer1 sends hello msgs to Computer2
- Computer2 sends hello msgs to Computer1 and Computer3
- Computer3 send hello msgs to Computer2
I suppose all nodes will know theirs neighbors. This is not true ?
Thanks
Post by Henning Rogge
That would only work if you have exactly two nodes on an interface,
the local one and the "other one". In this case you could set the
broadcast address to the unicast address.
With more nodes it would not work, because the routing protocol learns
about the neighbors by listening to the multicast/broadcast packets.
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
i mean If(dst_addr == broadcast)
thanks
Post by Breno Silva
Hello guys,
There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function to detect
If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif
Do you think this hack will work ?
Thanks
Breno
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Henning Rogge
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for OLSR.
Henning Rogge
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however each
computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit data to
each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to each
other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1)
<->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would like to
know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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Breno Silva
2013-05-10 13:19:50 UTC
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Yes. The firmware does not support it. Only unicast addresses are supported.
Post by Henning Rogge
Your problem will be that routing protocols NEED access to the
broadcast/linklocal-multicast address.
Most radios should support this (on layer 1), because broadcast is a
natural attribute of all wireless connections. Is there a special
reason why your radio does NOT support broadcast?
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
All computer has one ethernet interface with the Radio and the Radio will
comunicate each other with another Wireless interface.
So a node for me is a group of computer+radio
Post by Henning Rogge
How many wireless interfaces does computer 2 have? One or two?
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
Right so let's suppose we have this env
computer1 <-> computer2 <-> computer3
- Computer1 sends hello msgs to Computer2
- Computer2 sends hello msgs to Computer1 and Computer3
- Computer3 send hello msgs to Computer2
I suppose all nodes will know theirs neighbors. This is not true ?
Thanks
Post by Henning Rogge
That would only work if you have exactly two nodes on an interface,
the local one and the "other one". In this case you could set the
broadcast address to the unicast address.
With more nodes it would not work, because the routing protocol
learns
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
about the neighbors by listening to the multicast/broadcast packets.
Henning
Post by Breno Silva
i mean If(dst_addr == broadcast)
thanks
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Breno Silva <
Post by Breno Silva
Hello guys,
There is a limitation. Looks like the Radio does not work with broadcast
address. So maybe i can change the function olsr_sento() function
to
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
detect
when the destination addr is broadcast and change it to the
unicast
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
If(src_addr == broadcast)
for(all unicasts)
sendto(unicast[i])
endif
Do you think this hack will work ?
Thanks
Breno
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Breno Silva <
Post by Breno Silva
Thanks Henning,
I will be able to test it soon. Then i can give a feedback.
Breno
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Henning Rogge
Post by Henning Rogge
As long as you do not reuse the same address, OLSR will work.
It will set up a host-route (a /32 route) to each of the mesh nodes,
which means the different networks do not really matter for
OLSR.
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Henning Rogge
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Hello,
I would like to setup OLSR between some computers, however
each
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
computer is
connected in a Radio (ethernet interface) and they transmit
data
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Breno Silva
Post by Henning Rogge
Post by Breno Silva
to
each
other using a wireless radio interface.
The radio is Half-Duplex and i already com send IP/UDP data to
each
other.
This is a common flow to send/recv data
COMPUTER1 (10.1.1.2) <-> (10.1.1.1) RADIO1 ( 192.168.0.1)
<------------------> (192.168.0.2) RADIO2 (10.1.2.1)
<->
COMPUTER2 (10.1.2.2).
So each computer is a member of different network. I would
like
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to
know if
the OLSRD will work with this environment.
Thanks
Breno
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